This paper explores two topics at once: the use of denotational semantics to bound the evaluation length of functional programs, and the semantics of strong (that is, possibly under abstractions) call-by-value evaluation. About the first, we analyze de Carvalho's seminal use of relational semantics for bounding the evaluation length of lambda-terms, starting from the presentation of the semantics as an intersection types system. We focus on the part of his work which is usually neglected in its many recent adaptations, despite being probably the conceptually deeper one: how to transfer the bounding power from the type system to the relational semantics itself. We dissect this result and re-understand it via the isolation of a simpler size representation property. About the second, we use relational semantics to develop a semantical study of strong call-by-value evaluation, which is both a delicate and neglected topic. We give a semantic characterization of terms normalizable with respect to strong evaluation, providing in particular the first result of adequacy with respect to strong call-by-value. Moreover, we extract bounds about strong evaluation from both the type systems and the relational semantics. Essentially, we use strong call-by-value to revisit de Carvalho's semantic bounds, and de Carvalho's technique to provide semantical foundations for strong call-by-value.